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1/17/2015 5:45 PM
 

The hundreds of modules will continue to work on the DNN 7 platform which is not going away.  DNN 7 will continue to be developed for as long as the community finds value in the platform and people are willing to continue working to maintain it. If people want to support DNN neXt then they will need to update their modules and extensions for the new version of the platform. 


Joe Brinkman
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1/17/2015 11:19 PM
 

Hi Joe,

The main issue is cash rich Microsoft with more than 200 product engineers have not got MVC to work in nine to ten years, so when DNN with very few developers is moving to MVC when webform is finally working, it is just not practical.  The Microsoft MVC team is still repurposing Webform features like navigation and flexible UI and so to compare the only commercial Web platform product in the Microsoft stack to Winform and WPF the two are unrelated platforms and uses.  I hope when DNN is in MVC there is a Webform DNN that is 30 to 50 percent of the current code base with Webform and WebAPI options.

 

DNN Corp says content management is user management that is not correct because a user is the core of Microsoft security, so that is just renaming features.  

 
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1/18/2015 8:37 AM
 

Gift,

  I am not sure what the question or argument is.  MVC works, but it is built on the ASP.Net 4.x foundation.  That foundation has some fundamental architectural flaws which cannot be fixed without introducing substantial breaking changes.  MS has done as much as they could within the confines of the old stack, but felt that there customers would benefit from a rewrite.  As part of this rewrite they are removing redundancies in the MVC, WebAPI and SignalR frameworks and combining them into one stack.  They are also removing monolithic assemblies & namespaces, like System.Web and breaking them down into more discrete packages which can be loaded as needed.

MS will continue to offer web forms support on the old stack even while they continue to push forward on the new Core CLR stack.  Likewise, DNN will continue to have a web forms version and will also have a new MVC version of the platform.  There will be some community members who have no desire to move to the new stack.  That is ok.  However, I know that there are many current and former community members who are looking forward to working in an MVC based DNN stack which addresses many of the architectural issues of the platform that we have been forced to live with for quite a while.

I am not sure what to make of content management/user management statement or how that relates to this discussion. 


Joe Brinkman
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1/18/2015 1:36 PM
 

"I am not sure what the question or argument is.  MVC works, but it is built on the ASP.Net 4.x foundation.  That foundation has some fundamental architectural flaws which cannot be fixed without introducing substantial breaking changes."

 If it works why are webform only commercial products in the market? When software works most developers use it, in Microsoft web MVC developers run WordPress blogs; while webform developers runs webform,  I was part of the Oxite project which later became Orchard.

  "As part of this rewrite they are removing redundancies in the MVC, WebAPI and SignalR frameworks and combining them into one stack"

I think SingalR is temporary because messaging is very fast moving area and WebAPI without MVC is better for single page applications.

 

"MS will continue to offer web forms support on the old stack even while they continue to push forward on the new Core CLR stack.  Likewise, DNN will continue to have a web forms version and will also have a new MVC version of the platform."  

 

In VS2013 the only thing that works without issues is webform so there is a lot left out in the hurry to move to MVC, we could use better answers.

 

"However, I know that there are many current and former community members who are looking forward to working in an MVC based DNN stack which addresses many of the architectural issues of the platform that we have been forced to live with for quite a while."

 

All the webform issues DNN faced was based on your business structure not webform because Asp.net fixed many of the UI issues DNN choose not to implement it because DNN was using Telerik which was not running HTML5 pages in their custom controls and editor. 

 

"I am not sure what to make of content management/user management statement or how that relates to this discussion."

 

You are moving all DNN to MVC and user management is one of the current features that is work in progress, I just want to know how a security feature becomes a content feature per DNN branding. 

 

Here are some DNN features that needs immediate attention.

 

The database is using a long list of obsolete DML and DDL components.

File Manager Implementation is neutered.

Memory Caching was removed in DNN6

Authentication and Authorization is broken.

Profile and Role implementation is incomplete and barely works.

 

And I understand you want the conversation scope to be very narrow.

 
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